[Certification Q&A (10)] We will tell you how to negotiate with inspection bodies and production plants for PSE certification.
Hello. It is a hori of the manager.
In the customer's inquiry, "Eh! There are people who still call radio law authentication "TELEC certification".
TELEC is the "Telecom Engineering Center", which is famous for being the first radio law certification in Japan, and is one of Japan's leading radio law certification bodies.
Therefore, some people recognize radio law certification as TELEC certification, and some people misunderstand that radio law authentication can only be done by TELEC, but there are many inspection organizations in Japan and overseas that can perform radio law certification.
If you return to PSE, of course, there are inspections that can only be done by JET, but there are many that can be performed by other inspection institutions, and overseas inspection institutions may be used for inspection of specific electrical appliances and equipment that involve factory inspections.
On the other hand, there is also a method of using JET as cheaply as possible for factory inspections at overseas (China) factories.
After all, whether it is a PSE or a radio law, authentication starts with choosing an inspection body, so if you do not know that there is such an option, all PSEs will judge JET and all radio laws as TELEC.
Of course, JET and TELEC are not bad, and the cost may be kept low depending on the location of the factory and the inspection contents, and if JET is busy, certification may be put off without the ate of other inspection agencies.
In fact, there were customers who wanted to inspect PSE specified electrical appliances in about a month and a half, but because JET is self-imposed due to coronavirus, it was very difficult to make it in that period, so we sometimes proposed an alternative.
It is the duty of the certification agency that can propose such a plan, and if you look at a company that simply says "I will pass the inspection", it is a natural story, and the problem is how much we can make proposals that meet the needs of our customers.
However, I know that the needs of customers are as cheap as possible without wanting to authenticate, but there are many difficult parts to realize.
Even so, based on the premise that certification must be done as a law prescribed by the state, we would like to provide services that meet your request as much as possible.
This time, I would like to introduce the contents of questions that actually met from customers, with the theme of being able to select inspection institutions and inspection contents to some extent to their needs.
- 1 Can I use a Chinese inspection agency to inspect PSE specified electrical appliances at factories in Japan?
- 2 Do I need to conduct all tests at one inspection agency?
- 3 I'm planning to import products related to the Radio Law from China, but I was told by a factory representative that I was CE certified, is it related?
- 4 Is it okay if I only use pse for compulsory inspection?
- 5 I was told that it is not pse because it is a large electrical appliance and equipment, is there anything else I can do?
Can I use a Chinese inspection agency to inspect PSE specified electrical appliances at factories in Japan?
It is possible to use it if I say the answer first. Of course, not only china but also neighboring countries can use Taiwan inspection agencies.
I think that it is basic to use JET if it is a factory in Japan, and JET is a very good institution, so I think there is almost no problem. From a cost perspective, it's never too expensive.
In addition, jet personnel will naturally respond in Japanese, so it can be said that using JET to inspect at domestic factories is a natural development. Of course, we also apply for JET.
However, one thing I would like you to remember as knowledge is that there is no such thing as 0% of the possibility that factories in Japan will use Chinese inspection agencies for inspection of specific electrical appliances.
For example, in such cases, it is necessary to authenticate in about a month and a half by all means, and the deadline for the end of certification is clearly decided and it is necessary to hurry, etc., it is a case-by-case, but if you ask JET, so-called limited express costs may occur.
This amount of money will be a reasonable amount, and it will be easy to pay for major companies, but if you are a small or medium-sized company, you will want to keep such costs as low as possible.
In that case, you can consider using a Chinese inspection agency. This is also a case-by-case basis, but the basic rate is similar to JET, but if you take limited express rates into view, overseas prices will be cheaper.
However, because the negotiation partner will straddle the sea, the person in charge cannot throw the inspection completely, and it will correspond and cooperate correspondingly, but it is still advantageous considering the cost side.
Of course, there are many hurdles to inspecting specific electrical appliances at a Chinese inspection organization, but if you want to make sure that you want to make sure that you have developed a new product in time by the release date, it will be worth trying.
If you want to know more, please contact us directly, but first of all, please remember only the knowledge that you can do such a thing.
Do I need to conduct all tests at one inspection agency?
There is no need to conduct inspections at one inspection agency.
Certification tests can be completed at one testing institution, but if there is content that cannot be conducted, the part can be entrusted to another inspection organization and certified as one test by adopting the submitted inspection report.
Taking PSE as an example, in one product, the content of A can be inspected by overseas inspection organizations, but the content of B can only be inspected by Japanese JET.
In this case, if you have the know-how to contact both overseas and domestic inspection institutions, it is possible to coordinate as a single test while adjusting well are.
On the other hand, if you do not have the know-how to negotiate with inspection institutions, or if you can not speak Chinese in the first place, inspection is an option of JET choice.
Of course, jet can perform authentication itself, so there is no problem if you say that there is no problem, but as I wrote in the previous section, if you have few options, you have to pay a high cost in case of emergency, if you pay the cost, it is still good, and in some cases, there are cases where authentication does not end until the desired date.
For example, in a recent consultation, mobile battery batteries themselves are produced in China, but since the assembly is a Japanese factory, is it necessary to use a Japanese inspection agency for inspection? There was a thing.
Our answer is that all pse battery tests at Japanese inspection agencies will be expensive, so mobile battery batteries (cells) will be inspected in China, and assembled products (battery packs) can be considerably reduced by using domestic inspection agencies.
Basically, there may not be much to divide the inspection organization into two or more, but if there is a recognition that such a thing can be done, there is a possibility that inspection can be relatively dominant in situations such as short delivery time and lack of budget, so let's keep that point in mind.
Unfortunately, Japan's radio law and European technical standards, CE, are irrelevant.
Since the Chinese factory sometimes offers products all over the world, it is often ce certified in Europe.
And there are many people who intend to introduce it to Japan as it is, and there are many people who are asked , "(Of course) radio law authentication is unnecessary because there is CE certification?" but again, CE authentication and radio law authentication are unrelated.
When selling in Japan, radio law certification is required.
To be honest, if it is a product of the level that is CE certified, I think that there is no technical problem, but there is a Japanese radio law in Japan, and it is necessary to comply with each one because there is a radio law established not only in Japan but also in each country.
So to speak, it might be an image that there is authentication instead of the tariff.
However, there are concerns about wiretapping and other concerns regarding the Radio Act, so I think that solid technical standards are required.
So, even if the factory says ,"It's okay because it's CE certified", do not swallow the words, please carefully investigate what certification is necessary in Japan.
Is it okay if I only use pse for compulsory inspection?
Depending on the target electrical product, in particular, there are various requested tests such as IEC, including those related to electromagnetic waves called immunity tests such as voltage fluctuation tests, voltage surge tests, electrostatic withstand voltage tests, and impulse noise tests.
These are not compulsory exams, so to be honest, there is no legal problem whether you do it or not.
We have answered inquiries about the merits and demerits of voluntary authentication before, and there are overlaps, but the decision not to do such tests depends on the stance and application of the customer's company.
As soon as you retail or wholesale, if you sell to customers in BtoC or B2B, there is an idea that it will not become a product unless you do all the tests that can, and if it is distributed in large quantities for business use, it may not be necessary.
To be honest, regarding the request test (voluntary certification), there are many details than the customer's budget and enthusiasm for the product, so there are some places where it is difficult to propose from here, and now basically we mainly file a declaration from the customer. It may change again in the future.
When I talk about the request test, some customers look blatantly disgusted, and some people misunderstand that our company imposes unnecessary tests on the want of fees, but I leave it to the judgment of the customer to do and not to do it to the last.
At the minimum of necessary, I think that it is not necessary to do a PSE test and blindly carry out all the request tests, but if you have your own sales channel, if you use other companies' channels, you will still have to prepare various tests.
Rather, if you are dealing with such a product, you will need to investigate in advance what kind of tests are available besides the basic test of PSE and budget it.
I was told that it is not pse because it is a large electrical appliance and equipment, is there anything else I can do?
As a description of the PSE, electrical products with power outlets are roughly covered, but not all electrical products are covered.
The target or not is described on the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry's page, and an ice cream freezer is exemplified,
Ice cream freezers that use electric motors with a rated power consumption of 500W or less ）
Citation: Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry_List of Specified Electrical Appliances and Appliances (116 items)
This means that ice cream freezers are not subject to PSE if the rated power consumption is 501W or more.
Of course, it will not be exactly 501W, but there are many things that require a power capacity of 500 W or more if it is a large product used for business use.
In such a case, the power outlet will not be able to supply power in time and use a dedicated plug. Then, it is not covered by PSE, but it becomes common to request installation as electrical equipment from an electrician etc. in order to use it safely at stores.
If you are a business operator that handles such a large product, such cases may already be understood, but please refer to it when introducing electrical products for stores for the first time.
It is not lucky because it was not covered by PSE, but in the case of not being PSE, I think that you can proceed with the business while contacting and confirming with everyone concerned, keeping in mind that there is a possibility that another confirmation will occur.
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