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【Certification Q&A(8)】How to return incomprehensible answers at The China Factory where "There is no PSE but CE certification" etc.

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Hello. It is a hori of the manager.

This time, I will mainly talk about PSE, especially the discrepancy in communication with overseas manufacturers (factories) and the divergence of how to proceed with work with overseas agency companies.

If you are a Japanese business operator, the existence of the Pse (Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Act) law on technical standards for electrical appliances and electrical appliances under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry has permeated to some extent. It is a level that the business operator understands a little to the last.

In addition, as a habit of thinking of Japanese business operators, we sometimes see the misunderstood that "Japanese law is the standard of the world".

In such a case, "I can't tell the factory representative PSE, what happens?" It will fall into the case.

For example, if it is a European certification called CE and ccc, there is a market scale, but PSE is a Galapagos certification only in Japan are.

Compared to CE, CCC, etc., the Japanese market is said to be the third largest in the world of GDP, but from a global perspective, it is not necessarily a delicious market from overseas production plants that have many unique technical standards and small production lots.

If you do not understand such a premise, it is a bad factory that the person in charge (at overseas factories) does not understand PSE in Japan! The story does not advance at all only by feeling the resentment.

In fact, a common inquiry such as new is that I was able to contact the person in charge (who looks like) the factory, but I can not communicate with PSE, so I have (our company) enter in time and ask for certification as it is.

At such times, what we encourage customers to do is to change the way we communicate (e.g., the content of questions).

In short, the person in charge of the factory understands roughly if it explains in a logical manner. Because it is business over there, the story that seems to be money shows understanding properly and responds.

However, there is no explanation, and even if you suddenly say ,"Please cooperate because you take PSE", it becomes "What are you saying this Japanese?" as the other side, and it becomes "Let's put it off because it seems troublesome".

It's the same for us, and if we're suddenly sent "I want to certification" in English, we'll ignore it 100%.

After all, it is necessary to explain that to the other party thoroughly, and at least it is necessary to understand PSE (authentication). However, if you can't take that time easily, you should choose an agency that has the ability to negotiate with the factory to some extent.

Basically, the inspection organization does not negotiate like that. The inspection agency only does the inspection.

If it is a Japanese factory, it may be able to understand somehow because it is Japanese, but in particular, minimum knowledge to negotiate with overseas factories is necessary.

I think that you can learn about it on this site, and if you have any questions, please ask a question to the agency.

I asked an overseas factory about "PSE", but I returned it with a different word like "CE".

This is exactly the same as I mentioned at the beginning, and basically it is better to negotiate on the assumption that the person in charge of the counter does not know about "PSE in Japan" at all.

Authentication, system, and various things are mostly abbreviation alphabets, so such words are barrage.

Even if you make an inquiry, unexpected words suddenly appear, and you may need authentication other than some PSE? Maybe PSE is unnecessary? There are often patterns of coming to our company to consult with us where various things are recalled and panicked.

First of all, I would like to say that there are various certifications and systems in each country in the world, but pse is the only compulsory certification for selling electrical products in Japan.

Keep this principle in mind.

Also, it is important to understand that the person in charge of the counter is by no means returning a different word.

Again, I don't really know about PSE in Japan, so it's faster to think that foreigners (Japanese) who have suddenly inquired using words they don't know are asking questions to the extent that they know.

After that, please refer to the example of the question content to ask to the person in charge of overseas.

In order to sell this product in Japan, it is necessary to have a unique certification called PSE.
I would like you to introduce your overseas sales, especially sales representatives for Japan and Asia.

As a point, (1) (If the person in charge does not know about PSE), I will briefly and carefully explain PSE in Japan. (2) The person in charge is not a technical person in charge, but a sales representative from Asia.

If you don't know about PSE in Japan, I have no choice but to explain it. However, there is no need for difficult explanations of the system. Let's simply tell them that japanese electrical appliances have a sales restriction called PSE, and then look at the other party's reaction.

Since people work at factories (manufacturers) over there, you know that there are sales regulations in each country.

In addition, for fear of leaking product information, technical personnel basically do not tell us. Let's have a salesperson (salesperson) teach you.

 

An overseas agency does not work for me, how should I do it?

There may be an overword to the word "don't work", but is it a feeling that the way of working is different?

For example, even if a Japanese (customer) wants to report once a week (even if it is common sense in Japan), overseas (China) agency companies may think that reporting is good once a month.

There are such differences in perceptions in some places, and apart from that, both are justice. The logic of listening to what you say because you are the orderer is of course established, but to say that, it is really difficult because all recognition must be enumerated and verified.

It will be a position talk-like way of saying, but if you think about such trouble, if you ask a japanese agency like our company, work will proceed without stress.

In addition, since the factory is overseas (China), there are people who think that it is better to make the certification agency in China in order to exchange in Chinese, but I think that is good, but if you do not ask a very proper agency, it will take time and effort three times twice.

First of all, as I mentioned earlier, I'm going to work with the feeling of the other side, so I can't really see when authentication will be completed. Basically, chinese people and others are doing their work with their own logic, so progress management is really difficult.

Secondly, there are many authentication mistakes (omissions and omissions). As I have said many times, PSE is a Japanese certification, so if an inspection organization that does not accurately understand Japanese certification does it, there will be a lot of omissions and omissions.

We have received many inquiries and relief from customers who have suffered such damage.

The recognition that there is no mistake because the inspection organization is doing it is very dangerous, and the certificate itself is issued, but if there is a deficiency in the content, it is often pointed out later by the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, and if you are poor, it may be an order to stop business.

However, even if you encounter such a thing, the agency agency of overseas people will not take responsibility, and even if that happens, it will only cut off contact.

Again, it will be a position talk, but the factory and inspection organization are no problem overseas, and I think that it will not be established unless it is overseas, but it is recommended that the agency choose an experienced Japanese company.

When answering questions, it is better not to basically ask an overseas agency.

Can I use it as it is if I have a PSE certificate obtained by the factory?

Inspections other than pse's specific electrical appliances can be carried out if the factory funds and asks the inspection organization, so when you contact the factory, there are many cases where you reply , saying that "Our factory has acquired PSE!".

However, the thing to be careful about is that just having the PSE certificate will not be effective.

First of all, it is a matter of applying to the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, and as a problem in the first place, it is frequent that the inspection organization makes a mistake in the inspection contents as described above.

Therefore, it is recommended to confirm that the contents of the certificate firmly cover the PSE inspection contents of the product.

The application procedure to the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry is OK only for the type classification, but if there is a deficiency in the inspection contents, and in the unlikely event of a product accident, the report etc. will be strictly confirmed with the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, so if bad things overlap, it may be business improvement guidance.

Again, it seems that cospa is ultimately higher if you think about the future if you have a certification body such as JET in Japan and an agency like our company familiar with PSE without having to finish with confirmation only by factories and inspection institutions that do not fully understand Japanese law.

Do I have to apply for a PSE certificate or certificate with the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry?

Citation: Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry_Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Act_Flow of Notifications and Procedures

This story corresponds to the part related to business notification "manufacturing" or "import".

In the previous article, I briefly introduced it, but I will tell you a little more this time.

The Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry page says, "If you start a new business, you must submit a "business notification" to the Bureau of Economy, Trade and Industry within 30 days from the start, etc.," but it is not written that a certificate or certificate is required for the notification.

Only the documents designated by the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry and the "classification of the type of electrical appliance and material" should be submitted.

The following is a cut-out of the type classifications listed on the PSE certificate for your reference.

The model classification is like the design book of electrical appliances.

Basically, this type classification is described in the certificate and certificate, so there are many people who submit the certificate and certificate as it is as a substitute, but there is no problem even if you submit only the type classification.

In addition, since the model classification is a thing to confirm and decide while inspecting, there is little point in producing the model classification first, and rather, the trouble of modifying and re-producing later may occur. In addition, by the time you sell the product, you must confirm the PSP standard compliance or conformity inspection, or both, and keep the certificate and certificate, so there is not much point in rushing out the application form and the type classification.

Therefore, most people basically submit an application form, certificate, certificate at the same time at the time of business notification.

On the other hand, since it is necessary to submit a business notification within 30 days from the date of business start when conducting the electrical appliance and material manufacturing business or import business, especially those who are engaged in the manufacturing business, there is a high need to submit a notification first.

In that case, you can report your business even if there are no PSE documents, so please check with the Bureau of Economy, Trade and Industry of the jurisdiction for details and proceed properly.

Is the cost of PSE for commercial and household products the same?

First of all, there is no "commercial" or "household" category in the electrical appliance and material category of the PSE. 。 Everything is divided by its power capacity, etc.

So, if it is a large-capacity electric period capacity, there may be a conversation that "it will probably be for business use".

In addition, there is a high possibility that inspection will be complicated due to cases where the product structure is more complicated for business use or there are many switching functions.

In that sense, it may be common for commercial products to have higher PSE costs, but high-spec products for business use may be used for home use, and conversely, it can be assumed that relatively low-spec homes are used for business use.

Therefore, I think that it is better to think about how the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry divides electrical appliances and materials, product functions, power capacity, etc., without dividing it for business use and household use, and I think that it will prevent a situation where the estimated amount and actual inspection cost are completely different from the assumed amount.

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